доверяю девочкам с имдб - наши люди видимо, судьба у нас - ждать хорошую режиссуру фильма с Робкой... то в ВС не дожал Лоуренс, теперь вот заслуженные театралы напортачили... Иэх)) Ну да ладно, я книгу хорошо помню, стало быть, должна попасть в категорию наслаждающихся фильмом

Hi all!
I'm new here so sorry if I'm kinda intruding on this conversation! But I was just so excited after seeing Bel Ami a few hours ago that I HAD to share the love! I'm from Ireland, and sometimes find it difficult to get people to come see Rob Pattinson movies that aren't Twilight But anyway, I always get a few of my friends to tag along and open their eyes to the beaut, and tonight was no exception!

I am so impressed with Bel Ami.. I was seriously anxious from reading a number of 'critics' reviews of the movie but I needn't have been. Of course it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm interested in these types of movies anyway, and having lived in Paris and seen filming in Budapest while visiting my boyfriend I just had to go! And I wasn't disappointed. Rob's acting is soooo much better than what is constantly written about him. Subtle looks and glances is acting and I think he's pretty pro at this. To be honest I barely saw a nostril flare!

I agree with others that the movie at times was somewhat disjointed which is a case of editing and that was a shame. Also, the ending was a little rushed and could've been improved with a bit more emphasis on Georges and Suzanne's uniting (I've read the book!) What I was pleasantly surprised with was the humour in the movie. Again, this was subtle and not raucous laughter but kept the audience entertained which is what you want from a movie?? For me, it was an improvement on the book.

There were lots of scenes to enjoy but one of my favourites was towards the end with KST and then later when Georges comes home and finds Madelaine and Rousset... Angry Rob at his best "It was me who was being *beep* Oh and one last thing, I really admire Rob for taking on this role when he obviously knew it wasn't going to be some big-wig production! His portrayal as Georges was sometimes a little too likeable - I did feel a bit sorry for him at times - but then he'd act so bold you just had to laugh!

Sorry if this was all over the place, and not a proper review! I write what comes into my head! Overall, really enjoyable! The movie, and Rob for that matter, really does not deserve the bad press that it has been getting by some critics.

Ok, that's it! Excited to finally be posting here! Sorry for the length! X
It's impossible to be unhappy in a poncho

I've seen it! I really have, after all this time! I still can't quite believe it [[laugh]]

and to be honest... it was pretty awesome. I really, really enjoyed it.

I've known and loved the book for a long time, so maybe I'm biased, in the sense that I knew what the 'point' was, and how to look at the story. But it really worked for me. It was beyond clear that Georges was meant to be a really unremarkable, untalented, ungenerous guy, and that the whole thing was ironic and tongue in cheek. I actually loved the ending. Georges' triumphal march in the church, with the light shining down on him... priceless [[laugh]]

I honestly do not understand, at all, how anyone can see this movie and think you're supposed to cheer on George, or like him. You kind of admire him in some twisted way, because he's so groundlessly audacious and ambitious (and that's voiced by Colm Meany's character, who ends up saying Georges deserves Suzanne for his sheer audacity. Colm Meany was great btw). But he's still pretty much repulsive.

Rob's performance is spot on. He's sleazy, he's unlikeable, he's pretentious, he's... kind of gross, in many ways. With still moments of humanity, with Clothilde and her daughter, mostly. It's probably his least sexy performance to date (and yes I've seen the bottocks scene!). If I had one problem with him, it wasn't his performance, it was his look. He just looks so damn British, bless him.

The women:
- I absolutely adored Cristina Ricci. She was perfect.
- I also really liked Uma Thurman - her character was so interesting. I don't get how the movie can be seen as sexist, when she's clearly the most intelligent and complex character in the story. That's the whole point: the men are all lame, she's great, and yet they get to rule and not her. It's not fair!
- KST... I think her character was the issue, not her. She played it the way it is in the book, sure, but it fell flat in the movie. You don't understand why she suddenly becomes this enamoured little girl, and the comedic tone of her scenes with Rob jars a bit with the rest of the movie, which is more outwardly serious.
- Holliday was great. I loved how it turns out she's a horrible person behind her porcelain looks. She and Georges totally deserve each other, lol.

What made me happiest is that they nailed the tone of the movie. In my (maybe biased) view, it's clearly a satire, and you realize with the ending how funny, meaningless and ironic it all is. It's also very faithful to the book.

It's not perfect, certainly. The ending is rushed, and there are a few weird narrative shortcuts. My biggest issue was that they do Rob no favours by never showing why exactly women love him so much. Imo you really needed one more scene between him and Virginie where he charmed the pants out of her, and one more scene showing how similar him and Clothilde are and how much fun they have together. As it is, you just see Georges meet the women, and next scene, he's in their bed. You don't quite get how his super-human charm works, because you don't see him in action.

So all in all... some minor issues, but I think it's a great little movie. I had a lot of fun, and can't wait to see it again. [[yes]]

thanks everyone!

a few more details I forgot: I went at a 3pm showing, there were maybe 10-15 people. A bunch a teenagers, and a bunch of older men (I know - a bit odd, but good for them!). (ETA chrisell I left in a hurry, but there were quite a few laughs during the movie, so I guess they did enjoy it)

I'm not the person to comment on cinematography (not an artistic bone in my body), but I did notice a lot of close-ups, which was a little weird at times.

My favourite Rob scenes, without spoiling too much, were pretty much all the scenes he was being a d!ck (poor Christina Ricci, lord), and the scenes he was humiliated and angry (a lot of those too). It was an entirely new range of emotions for him. Loved it.

Ok, so I’ve just got home from the cinema, where do I start…

I enjoyed it, it was funny in the right places, serious in the right places, the performances were good, the costumes amazing, as were the sets.

Rob was great, especially during the end, his best performance to date. Very different, nothing we have seen before. Christina was faultless, her accent spot on. I can’t recall any slips, one of the best English accents I’ve heard from an American, and it didn’t seem forced at all, very natural. Uma was very good, though her accent grated on me at times, Kristin was great in the little she had to do.

The editing wasn’t great though, and I think this spoilt the film somewhat. Many reviews have blamed the script, but having read the script, so much of that script was edited out and that gave the film a disjointed feel. Knowing the story, I could easily fill in the blanks, but if you are unfamiliar with it, I can certainly see why some people are perplexed. It’s not always explained why people are behaving in certain ways, the political side of things could have been more prominently displayed. Some scenes didn't quite work, but I need to see it again because I can't recall what scenes and the reasons why.

Having said that, it was a good film, and I do need to see it again, because I am forgetting a lot of stuff already.

Titbits:

The bottom scene was not much more than a flash, but will make a great gif.

[[sad]]

Rob’s hand covering KST’s breast, was hot.

Rob and Christina have a wonderful chemistry, you actually root for them to be together.

Rob has a slight tummy, and it’s very cute.

Whoever thought long johns could be so sexy?

Calendos, thanks for your good review and I agree with most of your remarks, especially the 'ironic, tongue in cheek'. For a long time I couldn't find the exact words to express what for me the mood or tone of the movie was. I used the word 'satirical' but your 'tongue in cheek' is more close to what I really mean.
To define the tone of the movie was important for me, because I've always had my doubts that critics wouldn't get this tone and after having read all reviews until now, I'm afraid I was right.
They expected the movie more dark, more drama and it isn't, it is satirical, a tale as the book was too IMO.
You are right about the absence of showing why exactly women love Georges so much, it is one of the returning critics in the reviews and the critics hold Rob's performance responsable for it: lack of passion, lack of charisma ...

I'm glad you enjoyed the movie, I loved it the second time even better than the first one.

Thanks for your review, Tiggerama.
Having read the book more than once, I could fill in the blanks, but just as you I wondered if those who didn't read the book were able to follow the story.
When I mentioned this on Robsessed, right after the early screening in Belgium, some responded that they hadn't had problems with the story and not hadn't read the book.
So I was kind of relieved until I started reading reviews and it wasn't difficult to point out the critics who based their opinion solely on having watched the movie.
When I watched Bel ami a second time, I realized how much I had already forgotten

Yay, just got back from seeing BA, and enjoyed it very much. Went to the late 10.15pm showing so it's pretty late now and I don't think I'm very good at writing reviews anyway. Thought Rob did an amazing job with so many different moods and expressions to other performances of his. He was also in every scene which I suppose I should have expected from the book but somehow I hadn't quite expected. Maybe a little slow to start with but when he gets into his groove there's no stopping him. [[laugh]] My God, he was so appalling to KST it was brilliant. I thought she was good in her part too. I expect things will come back to me tomorrow.

Непонятная там все-таки история со стиранием веток форума

тем обиднее, когда про фильм можно сказать - "чуть-чуть не дотянули"... В ВС Лоуренс "забыл" зарождение любви показать, здесь похожая история, судя по отзывам... Видно, режиссеры настолько это само-собой разумеющимся считают, что при монтаже думают "это и так ясно, этими кадрами можно пожертвовать"

я всем советую брать два - гугл и промт. Они дополняют друг друга обычно - где сильно врет один, более корректно переводит другой

имху в личку кинула

by phosphorescentwaves 15 minutes ago (Sat Mar 10 2012 00:25:50)
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Right ladies here we go....

I am totally blown away. Overwhelmed by his performance. He was incredible. At the end I was like "Edward who?".
He pulls off this role perfectly. his seduction, humour, anger....all perfect.

And the scene with him in his longjohns.....oh my! lol. Perfectly placed may I add.

I agree that the movie was disjointed. I got a little confused coz I hadnt read the book, but I went to see it again half an hour later (lol !!) and it made a little more sense...so perhaps the first time I was just too busy looking at Rob.

I couldnt take my eyes off him, literally.

The audience were laughing along during the scene where he screws one woman after the other. It was quite comical.

Definately his best performance to date. Tyler was my favourite character of his before I saw Bel Ami...but now its Georges. I know we are not supposed to like him but part of me wants him to seduce me and take me carelessly over the bed......!!

кривой переводик кусочка в конце
...Ни у одной роли в Бель Ами нет какого-нибудь характера. И конечно, нет ничего сексуального в фильме. Нет никакой химии между Паттинсоном и ни одной из женщин. Нет никаких “острых ощущений преследования”, нет никакого соблазнения. Они все только двигаются. Я не озаботился ни одним из этих характеров... мне не нравился ни один из них, я не ненавидел ни одного из них. Что я должен был получить, что должно было быть, возможно, взгляд на этику того, что делает "характер" Паттинсона… Нет. Ничто.

Именно эта полная нехватка стимула от любого из характеров - уничтожение фильма... Кто-то, сделайте что-то! Сделайте что-либо! Даже выдавливание из себя улыбки об этом было бы чем-то …я имею в виду, они все - привлекательные внешне люди …
Но тем не менее, я не испытываю желания говорить, что это - ужасное кино. Это не достаточно плохо, чтобы быть ужасным. Актеры главным образом прекрасны, я не возлагаю ответственность за фильм на любого из них, вся вина - на режиссерах и авторе сценария. Фильм - фактически прекрасный …, если Вы только хотите просто наблюдать, что происходит.... Это как просто взрыв попкорна... Если Вы только хотите взрывы (читай: красивые платья) и движения героев (читай: хорошо выглядящие люди) тогда это совершенно пригодно к эксплуатации. Только не ожидайте ничего больше.
Здесь (заканчиваю) с надеждой, что Космополис Дэвида Кроненберга может быть карьерным двигателем, в котором нуждается г-н Паттинсон.
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судя по отзывам, тем, кто смотрит, большинству нравится и не только женщинам))) увы, залы пустые

англичанки пишут - никто практически ничего не знает о фильме... точечная реклама была и на ТВ, и на радио, и на автобусах, но до большинства городов это не дошло никак... пишут, что даже трейлер завсегдатаи кино видели один раз за долгое время, то есть далеко не всегда его крутили...
есть твитты, где народ на отзывы о фильме спрашивает - а что это такое? ОНИ фильм сняли?
И смех, и грех... одноименный популярный в определенных кругах сайт реально мешает
в общем, как я поняла, смотрят киноманы и Робофанатки в основном
зато самолично видала несколько твиттов - нашего полку прибыло

просто "кино не для всех" с минимумом промо и рекламы... вроде как Америка на Томаты "подсаженная", да и то условно, а Англия - не так.
имхо, достаточно посмотреть рейтинг зрителей на тех же Томатах и ИМДБ - очень мало... просто мало кто про фильм реально знает, и мало, кто реально интересуется таким жанром
актрисы - ни одна похвастаться фанбазой не могут, отсюда много зрителей тоже ждать не приходится...
и - прокату вредит Робкина "желтая" популярность... ну да это больная тема, умолкаю